JJ & Eve...barf

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RockfordFosgate said:
As to the earlier point about rape and consent, I don't think Eve ever cared two cents about JJ's emotional state. Her intention was always to have Paige see JJ in the manner Eve wanted her to, not for JJ to feel unworthy of Paige. It was always about Paige dumping JJ, not JJ bowing out in a fit of low-self-esteem. JJ's feelings weren't even an afterthought. It's like saying that Daniel raped (or almost raped) Kristen because he was adversarial with her and told her multiple times Brady was too good for her and her plans would never work.
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She specifically decided to "work on JJ" when her plans to break them up didn't work as far as Paige thinking JJ was no good. From that point on, it was very clear to me that her goal was to make JJ feel worthless so that he would break up with Paige.

In Daniel's case, he did not do any such thing to Kristen--he told her what he honestly felt and that was it. He did not run all over town saying things deliberately designed to make her question herself and render her unable to function. That is the difference.

When Kristen raped Eric, pharmaceuticals interfered with his brain functioning to render him incapable of consenting, yet he appeared on the surface to be enjoying and initiating the activity.

Eve did the same to JJ, but there's no blood test currently that shows the effect of mental abuse on the brain, so it is far more difficult to detect.

If JJ had gotten drunk and had sex with Bev, Marybeth or anyone else but Eve the only question would be whether he was sober enough to consent, because those people were not the perpetrators of a psychological attack against him. Eve was. That's what makes this problematic in terms of consent.

The rest of your post is spot on, though. The out of character garbage is one of the worst things about this storyline, especially with the strength JJ has shown up until two days ago. He should have been able to withstand Eve's attack better, but nevertheless, the attack was there.
 
Muzzaman said:
While I haven't watched Days for a few days now, I recall having suspicions that this is where it would lead to, back when JJ and Eve first started interacting. Not Eve crying rape but them bumpin uglies. LOL!
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Muzza, if there is ever a Salem Spectator convention, do I ever have a joke for you! And we could have one heck of a potluck at such a convention, too. A lot of good cooks here!

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Fans on Facebook are ticked!! Many of them are boycotting the soap because of this storyline, and others are considering it. Days seems to have gotten its "reaction to the shock factor" it hoped for, but the ratings are just going to get worse and worse if they write these same doom-and-gloom kinds of stories that make no sense.

It would've made sense if JJ slept with Bev, or one of those girls at the party, maybe even Mary Beth (but, she's gone now). It still would've been poorly-written, but at least he wouldn't have crawled into bed with his ex-girlfriend's mother.
 
I really think this storyline is one of the biggest mistakes DAYS has made in a long time. All I'm seeing is people saying this is disgusting or that the writers have lost their minds. This is where filming so far ahead is going to bite them in the butt, too, because they can't easily fix the mess they made here.
 
Sadly, I did see three people saying they thought the "love" scenes between JJ and Eve were "hot and steamy"...one of them being Michael Fairman, after interviewing Casey Moss (JJ) about the storyline. Here's the link to the interview:http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news...-and-eves-game-changing-sexcapade/2014/11/05/

I think there are some spoiler-ish things towards the end of the interview, so for those who don't want to see it, you've been warned.
 
:rotfl:TIIC say that about anything. They said it about EJ & Sami, Daniel & Jennifer, Jordan, etc etc etc. They just don't want to be wrong. And now, the ratings are suffering for it. Nobody really enjoys these things, especially not the JJ & Eve crap, so I don't get why they're lying instead of at least trying to fix it somehow.
 
Heroic Muse said:
If JJ had gotten drunk and had sex with Bev, Marybeth or anyone else but Eve the only question would be whether he was sober enough to consent, because those people were not the perpetrators of a psychological attack against him. Eve was. That's what makes this problematic in terms of consent.
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How is Eve saying negative things about JJ to other people and directly to him any different than MaryBeth doing the exact same thing? She was attempting to sway Paige with the opinion that JJ was unworthy, she willingly helped in the Jill plot with Eve, as well as bashing JJ directly to his face on multiple occasions.

So if he slept with MaryBeth instead, why wouldn't you call that rape or question his ability to consent? If he slept with Bev, how is that any different either? She has continually plotted against him and Paige.

She has said negative things directly to JJ and about him to Paige and even Rory. In that regard, she was just as manipulative as Eve. Eve, MaryBeth, and Bev all want the same thing: for Paige to think poorly of JJ and dump him.

How is Eve talking to other people like Kayla affecting JJ's mental state when he's not present for that conversation? Kayla won't be swayed by Eve or mention it to JJ. Eve had no idea Paige overheard any of it, so she's not planning for that conversation to get back to JJ.

I don't think Eve is trying to break JJ down mentally; I think she truly believes JJ isn't good enough for Paige and it's ultimately about getting Paige to wake up from the "puppy love" and see him exactly how Eve sees him.

She's spouting off her opinions, negative as they are, and I think she truly believes them. So she's being honest, just like Daniel is to Kristen. He hasn't had much interaction with anyone about Kristen, other than to tell Jennifer it's not of her business, but Daniel wouldn't shy away from expressing his opinion about Kristen to anyone else either.
 
I think I actually did throw up a little in my mouth, that was nasty but maybe one good thing will come of this and this will be the end of JJ and stupid Paige. I know that when Paige finds out, Eve will tell her JJ raped her and Paige is dumb enough to believe it.
 
Because Marybeth did not hire someone to seduce JJ, find out he had been drugged, then go around town telling people that she knew JJ was lying when she herself had set up the opposite. Nor did she go to Daniel--the person JJ trusts most and whom he fears he does not deserve the love of--and try to turn him against JJ. Nor did she tell JJ to his face several times that his father was no good and that's why he's no good. Marybeth and Bev tried to break JJ and Paige up but they did not set out to totally destroy JJ psychologically by purposely choosing weak points that had historically caused him to act out in order to do so. That's what the difference is, and that's why there is no possible way this can be consensual. This was a coordinated psychological attack. None of the others had this type of plan going on.

How did Eve doing all of the above things affect Paige? She didn't know about any of them. Their purpose was to get JJ to dump Paige because he feels worthless.
 
There is still time for JJ and Eve just to be someone's really bad dream!!! Probably not, since they tend to make some of the worst stories the ones that are 'real'.
 
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